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Old 08-14-2004, 11:32 AM
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IS LSD as option or not?

Can anyone confirm the availability and/or price? Certainly someone from Lotus monitors these boards an can give us the scoop. I am far enough down the list that I should be able to get it if it is coming. I just want to know if it is. Asking my dealer would be the equivalent of asking my wife.

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Old 08-14-2004, 07:03 PM
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No LSD, and you probably won't need it.

May be possible to get LSD as an aftermarket install in the future, but again, chances are great that you will not need it.
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Old 08-15-2004, 11:03 AM
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It's been reported LSD will be an option early next year.

That does not mean the Elise needs it. Factory testing has shown time & time again that the car is slower with LSD on track. However, avid AutoXers have asked for LSD and Lotus is responding.

Having autoX'd the standard Elise even in tight 1st gear U-turns I didn't find any inside wheelspin. It has been reported by someone they got inside wheelsping hard starting from a stop and turning, but that's rarely a situation you'd see on an autoX course.

IMO the need for LSD has not been proven. The chassis seems to be good enough to put the power to the pavement. Now, if you start adding power then it may be needed.
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Old 08-23-2004, 11:03 AM
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There are a few aftermarket options because of the Celica guys. The LSD is also the same in the Celica GT and MR2 Spyder trannies.


Kaaz (Clutch I believe)
TRD (Clutch and Helical)
Quaife (Helical - http://monkeywrenchracing.com/quaife...rix_2000_.html)
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Old 08-24-2004, 02:50 PM
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You can look up almost any sports car review and it states that the Elise suprisingly does not need one.
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Old 09-23-2004, 10:36 AM
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LSD may cause understeer.
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Old 09-30-2004, 07:41 PM
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The gear type diffs such as the Quaife or Torsen feel and act like an open diff going into a turn. They only add lock up to the extent it is needed on the way out of a turn. Very smooth. Clutch type diffs can add a blanket of understeer to the car, especially at turn in when the car wants to go straight. There are also a number of high tech diffs out there.

I've autocrossed my LTS car three times and the first two found no wheelspin issues. But I and my codriver found some last weekend coming out of a downshift-to-first hairpin turn leading to a straight. Only on that turn though and the car still scooted quite well. I'd like to see Lotus offer a LSD option if only to make it an option for those of us who need to follow SCCA rules. In such a case if an LSD is offered during the 2005 car model year, anyone can add one, even the early cars. Gives us an option to deal with an issue we haven't yet fully explored. If they add one in 2006, we have to sell the 05s and get 06s if an LSD turns out to be valuable.
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Click here for a great article from Velocity magazine on LSD
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Mario Andretti: Lotus open differential

An interesting article I found on nsxprime.com

In it, Mario Andretti talks about the handling charachteristics of the Lotus Esprit.

Perhaps, it may shed some light on the Elise LSD issue.

http://www.nsxprime.com/FAQ/Media/magazines/rt9906.htm

The Best Handling Cars in America
Testing the limits of cornering and adhesion with Mario Andretti

By Sam Mitani
Photos by Ron Perry, Jeff Allen and Brian Blades



After I cautioned Mario that the brakes on the Lotus
Esprit had a tendency to lock when they became hot, he
smiled and said with a wink, "Lotus cars never give
you problems." An understandable statement when you
consider that Andretti won the 1978 Formula 1 Drivers
World Championship in a Lotus 79. However, he was much
less jovial about the Esprit after several laps around
the track.

"You reach the handling limit of this car too
quickly," he noted. "It has no roll stiffness in the
front, and the car needs more roll stiffness for you
to get a feel for its handling limits. Only with that
can you really get after a corner."

Perhaps the car's main problem is that it's finally
showing its age. The Esprit's backbone chassis and
suspension system, which consists of an upper and
lower A-arm setup in front and upper and lower
transverse links at the rear, have undergone little
change since the car was introduced in 1975. In 1994,
Lotus engineers retuned the suspension to eliminate
the car's understeering tendency...but did they go too
far?

"They took too much understeer out of the car's
handling," Andretti noted. "When you're trailing
throttle, you're thrust into an immediate oversteer
situation. Even on high-speed corners, you're hanging
on because there's a tendency to oversteer
everywhere."

That said, the back end of the Esprit, which lifted
the inside rear wheel through sharp corners, never
swung all the way around, even when the throttle was
punched in mid-turn. Why? Because the open
differential allows the inside rear wheel to spin
freely, limiting excessive power from going to the
outside rear tire (the one with grip) and keeping it
from breaking loose.

"I don't necessarily like spinning the inside rear,
but it beats the hell out of spinning the car,"
commented Mario.

The most impressive facet of the Esprit's handling was
its turn-in response. Credit here goes to the Lotus'
rigid chassis and responsive rack-and-pinion steering
system. And despite no dead pedal to use for bracing
himself, Andretti found the Esprit's cockpit
comfortable, with the seats providing excellent
lateral support.

Mounted behind the cockpit of the Esprit is Lotus'
turbocharged V-8 that produces 350 bhp and 295 lb.-ft.
of torque, enabling the wedge-shaped sports car to
outrun all but one in this group to 60 mph. However,
through both the hairpin curve and the transitional
sections, the Lotus was slightly slower than the rest.
And although the Lotus managed an impressive 0.93g on
the skidpad and 61.0 mph through the slalom, these
feats were good enough for only fourth and sixth,
respectively. Still, for this "patriarchal" car to be
considered the sixth-best handling car in America
today is a testament to the advanced thinking of Colin
Chapman and the engineers of the original Esprit.

"The Esprit is a car that, if you drive it at 8/10ths,
it's a lot of fun. But if you have to hustle it at
10/10ths, it becomes unsettled. The rear begins hiking
up, disrupting the feeling and balance of the car, and
the inside rear tire lifts off the ground. Also, the
turbo-charged engine isn't that flexible so you can't
corner with just the throttle. Only if you hold back a
little does the car reward you with good cornering
feel and response."
—Mario Andretti

OVERALL RATING: 349.1
Skidpad rating: 91.2 (0.93g)
Slalom rating: 94.0 (61.0 mph)
Segment times: 91.9 (12.26 sec.+ 11.40 sec.)
Mario Andretti's rating: 72
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Old 11-02-2004, 12:30 AM
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I'm not so sure it won't help the handling of the car when on the limit - I spent some time test driving a 2zz-ge powered Exige on a circuit last week and it was definately possible to unweight the inside tire to the point where it lost traction.

What would have been a nice, smooth powered up drift on the corner exit became a series of nasty, jerky, sideways bunny hops as the car gained and lost traction...which is a shame as the rest of the driving experience was great.

I'm a little curious about the factory testing program that shows the slower lap times round the Hethel track - the spec of the cars for the Euro race series appears to include an LSD, so somebody must think it makes a difference somewhere along the line.

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Old 11-02-2004, 12:55 PM
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Quote:
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I'm a little curious about the factory testing program that shows the slower lap times round the Hethel track - the spec of the cars for the Euro race series appears to include an LSD, so somebody must think it makes a difference somewhere along the line.

Geoff
there will be a lot of slippy diff units sold once we get used to the cars.
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