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Old 12-09-2005, 04:19 PM
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The New Hass ProTurbo Lotus Elise Kit!!!

I just thought some of you folks over here would find this information exciting. I have seen his work and it is just awesome! I have no affiliation other then being one damn happy customer!

Hass ProTurbo Kit Release Info




Hello all, this is the official announcement of the Hass ProTurbo Kit for the Lotus Elise.

As you all know we have been working on a kit for the Elise and I am proud to share preliminary pictures and pricing for the kit.

To start, when we design a kit we look at three areas and ask:
  • 1. Does the kit hit the price point for the market
    2. Does the kit have reliability/durability built in.
    3. Does the kit hit our performance goals.
When all three are answered “yes” then we know we hit our mark. I bring this up as there may be some thoughts of why certain design aspects are what they are and it can be argued till the cows come home that “X part could be better if it was Y part” or “The design of A should be like the design of B’s part” etc etc.

GM went through a similar experience when designing the C5 Corvette’s engine. They looked at DOHC options, large displacement, small displacement etc. What they ended up with was an aluminum pushrod engine that everyone initially rolled their eyes at and said “Pushrods? Ugh, GM is at it again”.

However, the design team hit it out of the park with their response.

“We need an engine that could get X fuel economy, fit in Y space, and produce Z horsepower and the pushrod LS1 does all of that in spades”

Sure enough, as we all know that engine is a jewel and the C5 was a major sucess – pushrods be damned.

Same principles apply here. Yes we could do a crazy titanium race header. But that would directly affect price and durability and not offer up enough of a hp gain to offset that margin.

We put together the sum of parts that will give a healthy increase in power, run for years without worry of cracking or parts failing and hit a price point that most will realize is fair and balanced for all.

Having said all that I present to you gentleman the prototype pictures of the Hass ProTurbo Elise.



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Major parts list and description:
  • Garrett GT28RS Dual BB Turbo. The latest and greatest from Garrett. There is enough headroom for 325whp in this turbo but it performs just fine at 240whp as well. We also port the wastegate hole out to approx 37mm from the standard 28mm.

    304 Stainless Steel Thick Walled (1/8”) Turbo Manifold with 1/2” flanges that will not warp.

    Smooth merge downpipe that ties into the factory Catalytic converter so any aftermarket exhaust can be used or the factory exhaust as well. The smooth merge of the wastegate eliminates any chances of boost creep.

    Ceramic thermal barrier coatings on manifold, downpipe, and turbine housing for durability and heat control.

    630cc factory style pencil injectors

    Stainless steel braided turbo coolant feed/return line and fittings with AN style ends.

    Stainless steel braided turbo oil feed/return line and fittings

    Mandrel bent urethane coated intercooler pipes.

    Blackstone high density air to air intercooler that measures 6.25"x18"x3.5" (Not including end tanks) The unit works as a large heat sink so it can absorb a fair amount of heat giving the car a "stored" cold air charge until vehicle speed resumes. The intercooler core when tested at an air inlet temp of 250*F at 14.7 psi, with a cooling air temp of 75* lowered the discharge temperature from the 250* to 124*F . Very very efficient.

    Dual high velocity fans for the IC and large 30 amp relay.

    4ply nomex couplers and reducers that will not blow out or fail over time.

    Stainless steel T-Bolt clamps for all IC pipe couplers.

    Porsche 996 turbo recirc valve that will not blow out or fail like many other similar units. This also opens the door for a myriad of upgrades if you so choose.

    K&N air filter

    Nylon braided vacuum line and brass tee fittings that will not expand or fail over time.

    30psi VDO white faced boost gauge that matches the factory units very close.

    Pre-programmed Greddy E-Manage Ultimate.

    NGK spark plugs – one range colder.

    K&N oil filter

    Aquamist 1S Water Injection System. The same system used on half million dollar rally cars and adds a lot of safety margin when boosting a high compression engine. (www.aquamist.co.uk)

    Various fasteners, clips and such that show attention to detail such as included Belleville locking washers for all exhaust components.
Performance numbers:

We were looking for a kit that combines reliability with a nice increase in power. We have made 375 hp on a totally stock 2ZZGE, but we also have found most sane people realize that having that kind of hp in an Elise makes the car very unbalanced and “overpowered”. Some may want that, and we can accommodate such requests easily. But for the rest of us who want to chase down a turbo 996 at a stop light or a Viper at a club race, this kit has you in mind.

The base boost for the kit is 5-6psi so it gives you a nice range of power delivery based on your wants and needs. We have run up to 13psi but do not recommend that unless you have some form of race fuel in the tank. 9-10psi has been attained on a street tune and can be run in ideal conditions with premium fuel without issue. Power output at 9psi has been in the 275-290whp range and we feel confident recommending that as a max boost level on 93 octane pump gas.

If you plan on club racing your car or running it in extreme temperatures for extended periods, we highly recommend adding at least a mix of some race fuel to the pump fuel. This can be attained fairly easy and it normally sold at the pump or in 5 gallon cans. It is a small price to pay for a lot of protection. You *can* run it on regular petrol, but why be a chest thumper if the fuel is available.

We have some preliminary numbers but wish to do some more testing before touting our horn too loudly. The freak weather we have been having has delayed us from final testing but we should have them very soon.

For now, I will simply say that the Elise kit has performed up to the standards of all of our other 2ZZGE kits which produce roughly 255-275whp at 7psi.

Now on to the question all have been asking: HOW MUCH?!

Pricing:

$5995.00 for the complete kit including all of the components listed such as the thermal coatings, fan kit, water injection etc etc.

Installation is available at our facility and we are working with several companies around the United States to become authorized dealers and installers. The network should be in place shortly with more added as time goes on. Until that is in ink, we can refer you to reputable shops we have used in the past.

50% is required as a deposit at time of order and there is a 4 week lead time. We normally do our best to get them out ahead of schedule, but depending on if we get a rush of orders with the release this may put us at the 4 week timeframe and possibly a little more. I don’t want to overpromise and underdeliver.

Side note:

We are working on a complete plug and play replacement ECU for the Lotus as an option with the kit. We are not doing this because of poor performance of the kit, but we also realize that having full stand alone capability is a feature many will want. This should be an option in the near future (couple months) and something you can add to the kit in about 5 minutes by simply swapping out the ECU for the preprogrammed unit.

Thanks for having us, we will be signing on as a site sponsor in the coming days as well. If you have any questions, feel free to email jay@hassturbo.com__________________
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Old 12-09-2005, 06:05 PM
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The kit looks nice and I have a question, with such a hich compression motor, how can you safely boost above 10 psi without detonation being a major problem? does the aquamist help that much??
Also, what about an AEM EMS unit for engine management?
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Old 12-09-2005, 06:13 PM
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The kit looks nice and I have a question, with such a hich compression motor, how can you safely boost above 10 psi without detonation being a major problem? does the aquamist help that much??
Also, what about an AEM EMS unit for engine management?
The aquamist kit does a very effective job in preventing detonation. If you are to go above 10psi it would be strongly urged to use race fuel.

For this application I would see no reason in needing more then 270rwhp that running 8psi produces. 6-8psi and aquamist can provide a strong yet reliable platform.

If you plan on running it on the track over 10+ psi then building the engine would be wise

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Thanks for the reply, I am looking to replace my Honda S2000 that I unfortunately totalled recently and I was boosted with a Comptech S/C at 17 pounds putting down over 400 to the wheels and am seriously looking at options available for the elise which will be my next purchase - How does the stock fuel pump handle the demands on the larger injectors? again, very nice product you have
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Old 12-09-2005, 06:25 PM
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Thanks for the reply, I am looking to replace my Honda S2000 that I unfortunately totalled recently and I was boosted with a Comptech S/C at 17 pounds putting down over 400 to the wheels and am seriously looking at options available for the elise which will be my next purchase - How does the stock fuel pump handle the demands on the larger injectors? again, very nice product you have
The stock fuel pump works just fine at these levels of boost and power.

I think Jay at HASS ProTurbo really did a spectacular job with this kit. If you want to get more technical info they can be reached at http://www.hassauto.com/

The Ellise at 1950lbs. and 280rwhp should be even quicker then your 400rwhp S2000's

Again I dont work for them Im just a very happy customer. They have really helped get my car back on the road.

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Old 12-09-2005, 06:39 PM
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Thanks for the time, you have a beautiful ride! enjoy the power! I will give them a shout
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The kit looks well put together and the exhaust mani looks well crafted, but I pose some questions for you. Having had a mid engine (mr2T) sports car with a side mount intercooler I can tell you I found them to be inadequate. The airflow to a side mount IC even while using a high output fan is marginal at best. I was unable to keep intake temps down even though I was using an Aquamist 1s, which I agree is the only water injection system I would put in any of my cars. I had an AEM EMS and have hundreds of data logs to prove the point. Granted I was running far more boost (20psi) but was never satisfied with the intake temps. I have not looked at the compressor maps for this given turbo so I cant say where your boost levels are for efficiency so it may run cooler then I think. Did you ever look into using a A/W system? How long have you sustained boost and did you see any indications of heat soak in that IC. With the compression that the 2ZZ-GE has, I would be concerned that with extended use the IC would heat soak and detonation would not be far off.
I agree with you and that a full EMS is the way to go. Having used the AEM, I can say that I was impressed with the amount of bang for the buck. I know one of the best tuners for that system (John Reed) and would have him do a custom installation if needed.
In all your system looks good and I look forward to you posting dyno graphs in the near future. This is my first post on this forum but I do know my stuff.
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2006 exige/elise turbo kit

I cant wait to get my new ride! I,m waiting for the snow to melt, as I live in Alaska. My ? is this: will this Hass turbo kit fit in the 2006 exige's eng. bay? This will be a deal breaker as I wish to add more power. the pic.s you show are great, but looks elise specific. Is there a seperate exige kit avail.? or will this one fit? thx for reply(with envy;)) jc
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I am going to get an Elise in feb so I started doing some research and I stumbled onto this thread.

Rule of thumb: Power, Inexpensive, Reliability. You can have 2 of the 3.

Let me give you my personal experience with tuning. I have an S2000 2002 with about 29K miles. It has been boosted since about 4K miles.

Started with a supercharger. Belt was too tight, and I spun a berring in the S/C. Mounted it back on, the idler pully broke. Last the adjuster bolt for the tension on the belt broke. This was a well manufactured and well tested product.

I went with that supercharger kit because the other kit was having mounting problems after 4000 miles where stress cracks were creating a problem of keeping the supercharger mounted to the motor.

After taking the kit off for the 3rd time, I decided to put on a custom turbo kit.

Worked great for 10000 miles, aside from running hot. Until the oil return line worked it's way off the turbo, and the fiance ran it without oil... so I am looking into getting an Elise now.

The problem with these kits is they do not have any real mileage tests. No R&D. A pretty manifold with custom bends mounted to an intercooler is not necessarly a great design. See above for the 2 of 3 you can have.

Trust me you will need to get a lower thermostat for the car and a larger radiator. A turbo gets to a few thousand degrees and that it attached to your head! that turbo is in a small area. Where do you think the heat will sink to?

Guy, why no heat shields for your kit?

How adequate is the oil cooler in the lotus?

Get the Emanage, program it for optimal WOT A/F ratios, lower RPM's that the high lobes of the cams come on, advance the timing a bit get a CAI and header, and the 20 HP you'll gain will be well worth the lack of agrivation Boosting will cause you. If you were truely interested in wild thrusting boost power, you could've got an Evo MR for less than your Elise, had a spot for the kids in the back, AWD for bad weather, and also percision handling.

But that's just my 3 cents (inflation).



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... my Honda S2000 that I unfortunately totalled recently and I was boosted with a Comptech S/C at 17 pounds putting down over 400 to the wheels ...
By the way, no you didn't. I can go into a lot of reasons why, but in short it will end with: no you didn't.
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Still no numbers...

Will the cam switchover be lowered??? Does anyone have any new info??
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Still no numbers...

Will the cam switchover be lowered??? Does anyone have any new info??
Just bought a house, so maybe april for the lotus. The S still isn't fixed yet either. Wife in training says I need to sell one toy before I can have another ;)

I can't imagine why the switch over point cannot be changed. I have used the E-manage for 2 years on my S2000 and I did all the programming myself.

I changed the low to high cam RPM from 6K to 5200
I then changed the High to low cam to 4900.

I did the above so when I am driving, they do not come on at highway speeds, however at auto-X once they are on, and I drop my rev's, they still stay on.

On the Honda it is a 12v relay. When activated the high cam lobes are activated. The emanage just sends the voltage when you want it to come on. I can't imagine the toyota system being any different.
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Wow! Now this is what I'm talking about! I was looking into the ForcedFed kit but I have to say this one provides a bit more bang for the buck! I have seen the ForcedFed kit installed in a car at KTR Performance near where I livem, and I will say that the fit and finish is absolutely gorgeous, actually looked like it was OEM equipment at the car. It dyno'ed at 260 WHP with the included GT28R turbo.
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Does the Haas kit work with an exhaust that allows the rear panels to be used? Do not care much for the open rear look.
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The thing I struggle with is the "Elise Factor" with regard to the pricing. $6000 is a bit on the spendy side for a 500 dollar turbo, a 200 dollar waste gate, a 200 dollar blow off valve, a single stainless header and a down pipe.

To compare and contrast: I'm in the middle of a twin turbo build on a 98 Mustang Cobra. (not the same car, I know, but hang with me for a second.)

I'm talking dual 60 MM turbos, 50MM Tial BOV, two (2) 38mm Tial waste gates, custom Kooks headers, thermo barrier coating, yadda, yadda, yadda....

I'm in the kit WAAYYY less than $6000 including injectors, fuel pumps, various gauges you need, etc... and this is a completely custom kit built around a Griggs suspension setup.

To come out of pocket 6k for a small single kit is a bit much.

I think you've got a winner at $4000-$4500 and a better intercooler design.

Here's what I'm talking about:
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Forged and fully built motor looking to make 800 HP at the wheels.

Nothing personal. This is just my .02. Individual mileage will vary. ;)

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I think the serious parts of the kit look VERY GOOD and I think they are absolutely on the right track. I think the gauges and aquamist mounting look pretty cheesy, but those are the things that can be easily righted. I do have a bit of concern about the IC capacity and I wish the system was $1500 less. For the group of us wanting to make 250 to 275 HP, this seems like it could be a practical solution without toasting the motor. Concerning the lack of R&D remark by No Torque, I say "yep", but they are usually still better than most of the things I cook up in my shop.
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