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Old 11-09-2003, 01:15 PM
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Performance alignment settings

One of the easiest most effective “mods” you can do to a car in preparation for the track is to set the cars alignment.

As my car will visit the track soon after I have the motor broken-in I’ve been searching for good alignment settings to use as a starting point for tweaking.

I’ll add them here as I find more

340R settings
Front:
Camber…..-1.5
Caster……..3.8 deg
Toe………..0.3 mm toe out
Rear:
Camber…..-2.3
Toe………..2.0 mm toe in
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Old 12-03-2003, 11:18 PM
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Some of the guys who race Elise's in the UK usually advise a setting like this for track use on standard or uprated suspension:

Front:
Camber -1°
Toe OUT 0°15"

Rear:
Camber -2°
Toe IN from 0°30" to 1°00"

Lotus also has some 'track' settings they use for the LSS and they are similar to this.

-1° camber at the front is about the max you can run on the S2 without modifying (shaving) the hub carrier or mounting plinth on the wishbone.

The toe settings can be reduced (to close to '0') if you change the standard rubber bushes in the wishbones to nylon/nylatron or even rod ends as these will reduce (or almost eliminate) the front-back movement in the wishbones and reduces/stop the toe changes under cornering and brake/acceleration forces.

Take care when reducing rear toe though as you don't want the rear to go to toe OUT under load. This is what early (1991/2) MR2's were infamous for.

The Elise always runs toe OUT at the front to make the turn-in more positive and control the way the car corners better.
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Mason,
What happened to the early MR2's?
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When a car "toes out" at speed (especially a short wheel base rear engined car) it has a tendancy to wants to snap spin.

One thing you don't want to do at speed is have the car spin like a top.

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When a car "toes out" at speed (especially a short wheel base rear engined car) it has a tendancy to wants to snap spin.

One thing you don't want to do at speed is have the car spin like a top.

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Hey you bastards - I didn't authorize this!

I'd be more instructive in answering Pa Deuce's question if someone had a video of my "incident" rather than just ugly aftermath pictures . . .

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Take care when reducing rear toe though as you don't want the rear to go to toe OUT under load. This is what early (1991/2) MR2's were infamous for.

The Elise always runs toe OUT at the front to make the turn-in more positive and control the way the car corners better.
It's an interesting excercise to figure out ideal alignment settings. Sure, you can use your handy-dandy pyrometer to determine your optimal camber in a particular diameter skidpad, but far too often people rely on this as the end of their testing. Granted, if your competition/goal is to go as fast as possible on this particular skidpad then you're set! However, it's rarely that simple.

I'd agree that you want to be VERY careful about your rear toe when taking the Elise to the track. Little rear toe-in combined with a low polar moment and you've got a handful! Autocross is going to be an entirely different animal, however. Unless you have a lot of trouble putting down power (read: Corvette Z06, etc.), rear toe-in is generally a negative in and autox situation.

Most cars (the US Elise is likely going to be included in this bunch) are designed to have good high-speed stability. The cost of this, however, is lack of low-speed nimbleness (is that a word?) As such, an ideal alignment for autox can be downright scary at higher speeds. The ability to flick the car through a slow, tight corner is greatly aided by less rear toe-in (or even some toe-out in the case of most FWD cars).

It will be interesting to see how people running the Elise in SCCA Solo2 Stock class align the car. If Mason's post above about possible alignments is any indication, it may not be possible to dial out as much rear toe-in as would be desirable without changing suspension bushings (strictly forbidden in Stock class).

Mason, I'll be more than willing to help you dial in that ideal alignment...no charge!
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I relied on tire temps for a long time in attempting to find the ideal front camber in my Supra. With less than 2 degrees negative camber, the inside was running warmer than the outside by 10 degrees. When I increased the camber to 3 degrees, the grip in front went up dramatically. This was on both the road course and autox lot on DOT R tires. I guess tires temps don't tell the whole story.

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